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McCain has suspended his campaign because of the financial crisis.  He hsa asked the debate commission to postpone Friday night's debate.

My thought?  I think he's got Yet Another Medical Problem (you know, he's had cancer multiple times, right?) and needs to stall while the campaign figures out what the hell to do.

Date: 2008-09-24 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awfief.livejournal.com
*nod* it's a win-win for mccain -- if the democrats protest, then they don't care about the country. If they don't, and they agree, then McCain still wins for "caring about the country".

Date: 2008-09-24 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barking-iguana.livejournal.com
I think that's their dream, but it won't work out that way. When there's a crisis, people are more engaged with hard news and civic affairs. Under those circumstances, people will be pissed off if someone who's applying for the job of President is hiding.

Date: 2008-09-25 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awfief.livejournal.com
You're right, and that's EXACTLY what they'll think if Obama doesn't agree with McCain that the debate should be postponed -- that Obama is hiding from the issues and just wants to talk instead of act.

Date: 2008-09-25 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barking-iguana.livejournal.com
I think you've been traumatized by Democrats ineptitude in dealing with media narratives in past elections. If it becomes a question of what the debate should be about and Obama said stick to foreign policy, saving domestic policy for closer to election day, you'd be right. But the Obama campaign is too smart for that. And not taking the time to tell voters what they think should be done just won't play, except with dittoheads.

Date: 2008-09-25 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awfief.livejournal.com
you have seen this, right?

http://blogs.uscannenberg.org/gabrielle_chua/2008/09/controversy-that-unnecessarily.html

It's the same deal -- Winfrey said long before Palin ever was chosen that she wouldn't have any candidates on her show after the primaries, and yet there's an *outrage* that Winfrey endorses Obama but "refuses" to have Palin on the show and is "giving Palin the cold shoulder".

Win-win for McCain-Failin' -- they didn't start the controversy:

http://www.palinpetition.com/

http://www.palinpetition.com/affiliates.html has the list of decidedly right-wing sounding "non-partisan" founders of the petition.

So Obama can't complain, because this isn't an action by the McCain campaign. And it doesn't actually matter that Winfrey made up her mind before Palin was chosen, go ahead and read some articles from various news sources that basically say they have no idea why Winfrey is "snubbing" Palin (or that it's because Palin ain't black):

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/sarah-palin-opr.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Story?id=5736716&page=1

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09062008/news/nationalnews/palin_clubbed_by_oprah_snub_127736.htm

http://stupidcelebrities.net/2008/09/05/oprahs-palin-interview-photos/

Even on Oprah's site people are refusing to believe that Oprah isn't backpedaling:

http://oprah.about.com/b/2008/09/05/oprah-and-the-sarah-palin-controversy.htm

The daily kos points out that we don't even know if Palin asked to be on the show:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/15/111757/401

Sure, Fox news is up there, and no, I didn't quote very many liberal sites, but do you think most of America is following liberal media, or ABC, NBC, FOX, CNN?

As I said before, even when Obama demands the debate, he loses, because then he's seen as a guy who doesn't care about the country's current "crisis", he'd rather talk than act.

Date: 2008-09-25 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barking-iguana.livejournal.com
Actually, no, I hadn't heard about that. And if Annenberg picks up that you linked to them, they can at least have one trackback, which would be an infinite increase over what they have now.

Astroturfing on blogs does occasionally have an impact, but usually it doesn't. And saying that "The daily kos" pointed something out because someone posted a diary that got 21 comments and 3 recommendations is a misunderstanding. I posted a diary there myself this afternoon that got 22 comments and 5 recommendations and I sure wouldn't be presumptuous enough to say that Daily Kos says what I said.
Edited Date: 2008-09-25 01:11 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-09-25 05:45 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] dieppe.livejournal.com
I'm not voting for Oprah, I'm voting for Barak Obama. It seems that the Republicans have plenty of exposure on Faux News, why are they worried about Oprah?

Date: 2008-09-25 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barking-iguana.livejournal.com
I think Nate Silver summed it up better than I did.

It's not that the narrative you suggest won't be out there; it's just that way too few people in and out of themedia will buy into it for it to be a net gain for McCain.

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