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Here’s a screen capture of CNN earlier today:

Click for image

Notice that the headlines are FIRE, FIRE, FIRE. On my Treo 700p cell phone CNN displays a special “mobile CNN” that reduced it to just the headlines:
  • Fight-fighters make headway as...
  • Exhaustion setting in on fire...
  • Front line fire crews fight advanc....
  • In burn unit, fight-fighter battles...
  • Super-rich celebs’ homes also threatened
  • Commentary: Saving marriages must be a national priority


The last one... “Saving marriages must be a national priority” seems a bit out of place. Oh well, must be an accidental placement. I mean, the author couldn’t possibly have known, when writing that article days ago, that the fires would be displacing HALF A MILLION PEOPLE and that claiming that the divorce rate is too high would seem distasteful, right?

But wait!

Click on the link! The first sentence is: “Americans are always good at touting an issue as a state of emergency in order to establish a sense of urgency.” Basically he’s saying, “Hey, we always spring into action when there’s an emergency, isn’t it about time we declare an emergency about the divorce rate?” Then he gives the tired old rhetoric that the Christian Right gives all the time that is code for “men should be able to beat their wives and women shouldn’t be granted a divorce just because they go to bed bloody every night.”

ZOMG!!!! How could CNN be so shameful.

Date: 2007-10-25 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cpj.livejournal.com
Quote from the article:

at least half of all marriages in the United States will end in divorce, and if you remarry, those figures grow exponentially.

Mathematically speaking, this guy is a fucking dumbass.

Date: 2007-10-25 01:28 am (UTC)
ext_171739: (Chicken)
From: [identity profile] dieppe.livejournal.com
You know, he could always just mind his own damn business and everything would be a LOT better. He doesn't know why people divorce, only why he was divorced. (Because he was a religious jack-ass? Who knows.) How he can take his situation and put it as a blanket on all other marriages out there is beyond me.

Oh yeah, because his "god" says so.

Gr.


Date: 2007-10-25 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunnygoth.livejournal.com
I was searching CNN online for locations of the fires (to see if they were near where any of my cousins live) and I saw that headline too. I was quite full of 'WTF?' at it. Kinda like when I was watching fire coverage, and stuck in the middle of it was 5 minutes of 'fence the border' ranting, including an assertion that you had to be brainless to disagree. Um, what?

Date: 2007-10-25 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] la-directora.livejournal.com
This is exactly the type of thing that led me to give up entirely on any television-based news source. It just ain't worth it.

Date: 2007-10-25 10:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onecrazymother.livejournal.com
Slight devil's advocate point here...he does specifically say that if you are being abused you should leave.

Date: 2007-10-25 11:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yesthattom.livejournal.com
Yes, but he's advocating for laws that won't let women get a divorce in that situation.

Date: 2007-10-25 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onecrazymother.livejournal.com
OK, please educate me. How do you know that? Since I'm home today, I took the time and read the whole article again, all the comments, searched the Roland Martin's website, and did a google search looking for others talking about him. I see no reference anywhere to any laws he is advocating for.

I consider myself, generally, to be doing a piss-poor job of being a well educated citizen, and you seem to be on top of things. How do you know this?

Date: 2007-10-25 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yesthattom.livejournal.com
A major strategy of Roland, John Tomicki, and others of that ilk is to promote "making it not so easy to get a divorce" which is code for "require both parties to agree to a divorce, and remove any no-fault divorce". These are two tools used by battered spouses to get out of bad situations.

Date: 2007-10-25 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arkham1010.livejournal.com
er...
the reason that no fault divorces were made was a lot of times a party of the marriage would commit purgery (He hit me!) to get out of the marriage when in fact no such thing actually happened.

So removing it is not a good idea.

Date: 2007-10-25 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onecrazymother.livejournal.com
You still don't answer my question of, "How do you know this?"

Searching "John Tomicki" and "no fault divorce" , and looking through bunches of things, spending much more time than I ever normally could, the only reference to an actual attempt to change legislation to make divorce difficult is a group in Washington state describing shock tactics meant to get people to sit up and take notice that the state supreme court has decided the state has an interest in only allowing those who are able to have children together, to marry.

"I just know because I live and breathe this stuff, but I don't know my sources anymore" is a possible answer. But, if you don't mind, what are your top three favorite sources of legislative and political news? Late October is, "gah, I should be more informed" season, you know.

Date: 2007-10-25 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arkham1010.livejournal.com
so the state of Washington will now be banning marriages of those over 50, or those who are infertile?

Date: 2007-10-25 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onecrazymother.livejournal.com
it sounds like the group advocating for marriage rights, including rights for same sex marriage, is going to put that forward as a reasonable reading of the supreme court's decision, in order to raise public outcry.

Date: 2007-10-25 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arkham1010.livejournal.com
I would hope so, since if the state decides to allow marrages to heterosexual couples that cannot have children, then suddenly there is an equal protection issue. And equal protection issues, like all issues of constitutionality, become federal issues.

So the 9th court of appeals would be able to rule on this issue. YAY!

Until it then goes up to the Supreme court. Boooo!

Date: 2007-10-25 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arkham1010.livejournal.com
BUHAHAHAH!

New initiative: No children? Then no marriage
'Absurd' idea aims to start discussion

By RACHEL LA CORTE
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

OLYMPIA -- Proponents of same-sex marriage have introduced an initiative that would put a whole new twist on traditional unions between men and women: It would require heterosexual couples to have children within three years or else have their marriages annulled.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/302553_initiative06.html

Date: 2007-10-26 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yesthattom.livejournal.com
I've seen the man speak in person and people asked him about it.

My fav sources currently are: dailykos, talkingpointsmemo.com and... hmm... not sure if I have a 3rd right now. worsethanfailure.com :-)

Date: 2007-10-26 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onecrazymother.livejournal.com
Well that's probably the best way to get a clear picture of someone.

And thanks for the links. worsethanfailure, of course, looks like a list of jokes I'm not expected to get. But I see I can read a bit on talkingpointsmemo.com, and then even jump directly from there to dailykos, so that might prove useful.

a tangential thought

Date: 2007-10-25 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onecrazymother.livejournal.com
OK, maybe it's awful for me to be amused by this at all, but I found myself slightly giggling at this thought: Wouldn't the world be just a little bit better if we could at least establish, "I don't give a rat's ass if I *am* going to Hell for disobeying you, I said,'No!' fuckwad," as the universally accepted official safeword of the religious right?

Date: 2007-10-25 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kimuchi.livejournal.com
Got to love the blame-the-woman energy there...and no surprise he liked the Tyler Perry movie.

Date: 2007-10-25 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arkham1010.livejournal.com
Having read the article, I;m finding a hard time disagreeing with this guy.

C'mon, what is he saying, that the divorce rate is sky high? It is. That half the marrages in the US today end in divorce? They do. That if you divorce once, that you are more likely to divorce again? That again is true.


And that one of the reasons that a lot of marrages fail is couples are not willing to spend the effort to sustain them? Well...yeah. I've heard enough times "Well, if things don't work out, I'll just get divorced." Which really isnt any way to approach a marrage.

So where exactly is this guy wrong, save the overly dramatic title?

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