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[ NOTE: These links are only useful if your zipcode is in New Jersey. ]

Super-duper lazy activism! In 90 seconds you can change the world! Click here and send a message to Trenton:

http://capwiz.com/njlgc/issues/alert/?alertid=8272341&type=ML
or
http://tinyurl.com/c65th

The bill, A3678/S2437, adds “gender identity or expression” to the protected categories in the state’s Law Against Discrimination. It is going to the state Assembly Judiciary Committee for a hearing at the State House on Thursday, December 8th. Between now and Dec 8th we need every representative in Trenton to hear it loud and clear! Support A3678/S2437!

NJLGC endorses this bill and encourages all members, all member groups, and everyone in New Jersey to send a message to Trenton via our web site. Tell your friends!

Date: 2005-11-29 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yesthattom.livejournal.com
P.S. I realize that many of my friends are libertarians, but I hope you support this anyway. While Government enforcing non-discrimination laws must be terribly offensive to you, please remember that some of my good friends are transgendered.

Date: 2005-11-29 03:03 am (UTC)

Date: 2005-11-29 04:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wotw
I think it is absolutely hilarious (and simultaneously terribly sad)
that the same people who believe most passionately that the government
has no business telling you who you can marry are out there demanding
that the government tell you who you can hire and who you can rent an
apartment to.

By asking the government to intervene in people's choices about who they'll
associate with, you've given up 100% of the moral high ground. If they
can tell me who to hire, why *shouldn't* they tell me who to marry?

By the way, if they're going to tell us who we can hire, shouldn't they
also be telling us who we can work for? If you turn down a job, should you
have to prove it wasn't because the employer was gay?

And if not, why not? Because you've arbitrarily chosen to preserve the rights
of people who you think of as similar to yourself (e.g. employees) and to
trample the rights of those who you think of as different (e.g. employers)?
That sort of discrimination has a pretty sordid history, you know. You should
be ashamed to be a part of it.

Date: 2005-11-29 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barking-iguana.livejournal.com
Because economic activity as we know it is a creation of the state, which long ago appropriated and then privatized resources which were once common. That privatization was done with conditions. Now some holders of those privatized resources now want to pretend that their property was given to them by God, Nature, or whatever forece lets them not think about where it really came from, so they can claim that they have no obligations. But they do and always have. Property rights -- how one can use the resources that were taken and then dispersed by the state -- are not the same as rights of association.

Date: 2005-11-29 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yesthattom.livejournal.com
barking_iquana gives a better technical reason, but I want to add:

Businesses aren't people. -- Businesses are to be regulated within reason so that a just society is preserved.

The only place that you can make the claim that "businesses are people" are with family businesses that are, say, smaller than 5 employees. And (if you had done any research at all you'd know that) state anti-discrimination laws such as this exempt such businesses.

Now since Dossy and Aillecat are the two other big libertarians that read this LJ, I'd be interested in hearing from them. Are they against protecting transgendered rights too?

Date: 2005-11-29 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awfief.livejournal.com
I wouldn't say "expand our rights". Say "give us the rights afforded to all human beings" or something like that. "Expand our rights" sounds like 'special' treatment, when really, we all just want to be treated like the human beings we are.

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