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Mac OS X 10.4.3 fixes about a zillion different bugs. None of them interest me except the fact that in Mail.app...

THE TAB KEY NOW INSERTS A TAB INSTEAD OF 4 SPACES

...which was my #1 annoyance about the entire Mac OS X system. Thank you, Apple!

Wow

Date: 2005-11-04 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrfantasy.livejournal.com
This is exactly the kind of rules-breaking leadership we've come to expect from Apple and Steve Jobs. Great work!

I heard they're also thinking of another radical new change--splitting the mouse button in two! Only Apple could be so visionary!

Date: 2005-11-04 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awfief.livejournal.com
So, why do you use Mail.app?

Date: 2005-11-04 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilbjorn.livejournal.com
Actually, I'm interested in this answer, too. I've been using Eudora for years, but am considering a switch.

Date: 2005-11-04 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yesthattom.livejournal.com
Because it has the absolutely best off-line mode in the planet. In fact, you never need to "enable offline mode". It just senses that the network connection has gone away, silently records all updates, and replays them when you are reconnected. (And when you are connected, it is caching things in the background.)

Two more reasons:

CMD-0 -- activity viewer
Windows -> Connectioni Doctor -- Tests all mailboxes and connections. Tell a user to run it when they have a problem and it figured out what's wrong. Click on an error and it brings you to the Preferences panel that you use to fix it.

Tom

Date: 2005-11-04 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awfief.livejournal.com
Hrm. I've been happy with net-required services (either a webmail-based system, or local access to mail through a remote machine). I can understand wanting to read information offline, or even go through messages and deal with things offline, queueing up messages to send later.

Maybe it's the DBA in me, but I don't like to duplicate information. Also, I've had bad experiences with friends losing all their e-mail, when their computer dies, or by deleting the wrong thing. I'm just stubborn.

I guess I just have the attitude? policy? of "If I can't be online, I'm not working."

Sure, sometimes I'd love directions, or a phone #, or other information when I'm not connected. . .but most of the stuff I need to do as a result of an e-mail is on the 'net anyway.

Date: 2005-11-04 05:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ckd
The whole point of doing IMAP disconnected mode, though, is that you don't lose mail easily. The (presumably high-availability and backed up) server has the master copy, and your various clients (PDA, laptop, desktop, webmail) interact with it.

Don't think of it as duplicating information. Think of it as caching information.

Date: 2005-11-04 05:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ckd
I've been a Mulberry user for a long time; it's been my gold standard for "this app really understands how to use IMAP effectively". With the bankruptcy of the vendor, though, it's made me look at Apple Mail again.

My biggest complaint about Apple Mail: not enough simple keystroke commands. Mulberry has 's' to toggle the seen flag, 'del' to delete/undelete a message, etc. Apple Mail has something evil like Cmd-Shift-U.

OTOH, Mulberry's message editor doesn't use Emacs control keys, which is a big win for me for Apple Mail.

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