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But the press keeps claiming otherwise...
Behind the choreographed show of unity, however, polls showed significant Clinton support still being denied to Obama.
Ummm.. yeah. My theory on this is that the many many many Republicans registered as Democrats just to screw things up by voting for a weak candidate. Those people are now telling pollsters that they’re disappointed that Hillary isn’t on the ticket.

Date: 2008-08-25 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com
They're just a few thousand extremely vocal Obama-haters who couldn't care less about the issues. They also actually couldn't care less about Hillary or her wishes. She has asked them to support Obama and they won't because, unlike Hillary, they're not progressives. If Obama had lost, I would have been sad but I would have supported anyone he supported, which would have been Hillary.

Date: 2008-08-25 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freeko.livejournal.com
Seriously! Rush Limbaugh did talk about Republicans defecting to the Democratic Party in the primary so Hilary would the nomination.

Date: 2008-08-25 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbear.livejournal.com
Dude, I don't know who *you're* talking to, but there are a *LOT* of GLBT folk who are royally *pissed* that Hillary didn't get the nomination OR the veep slot.

Personally, I wouldn't have trusted her with a $10 to go to the market for bread and bring back change. But there are a lot of disgruntled people out there.

Date: 2008-08-25 08:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] geekosaur
Pissed is one thing. Planning to vote McCain because of it, like those "polls" claim? I doubt there are many GLBTs willing to cut off their heads to spite their faces.

Date: 2008-08-25 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbear.livejournal.com
I know three, personally, who are. :-/ Registered Dems too. In their case, I think it's more a race card than anything. And they just Don't Get that McCain is as bad, if not worse than, Bush.

I know a couple others who are just planning on not voting at all.

While I'm a registered Democrat, and would love to see a Dem in office, it saddens me more to see people *not* voting than voting for the wrong person. I'd rather see someone vote, than not.

I mean, hell, I live in Morris County. A *very* Republican stronghold in NJ. Regardless, I still go and vote in every election.

Anyway. :-/

Date: 2008-08-25 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yesthattom.livejournal.com
> I mean, hell, I live in Morris County. A *very*
> Republican stronghold in NJ. Regardless, I still
> go and vote in every election.

And that makes your vote 2x as important!

Date: 2008-08-26 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emboline.livejournal.com
I also know of two....not everyone is smart...just because they are GLBT. GLBT people can make stupid votes, too ;)
Edited Date: 2008-08-26 12:15 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-08-26 03:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freeko.livejournal.com
Oh I know. As I have found just because I share the same community with people does not mean they are open to being brothers and sisters. After all there people who say its okay to do shitty things to others out of expediency.

Still even if some of my GLBT cohorts? there is too much at stake and voting against Obama because I wanted to spite certain people would be against my own self-interests.

That being I still think there are a lot of liberal-progressive types who are arrogant and think they know it all. But I don't hate myself that much that I would vote for McCain. After all we are all in this together now, like it or not.

Date: 2008-08-26 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freeko.livejournal.com
oops *Even if I am angry*

Date: 2008-08-25 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djmitche.livejournal.com
Agreed. I work in a walk-in Obama office out here, and we get a lot of Hillary supporters who are still disgruntled in various ways.

This was an unprecedentedly painful primary, and we (as Obamaphiles) need to take Hillary supporters seriously, and with compassion for their situation. Assuming that they won't vote for McCain because he's evil is not a good tactic -- simply abstaining is a viable alternative, and one that will not do Obama any good.

Date: 2008-08-25 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yesthattom.livejournal.com
> This was an unprecedentedly painful primary, and we
> (as Obamaphiles) need to take Hillary supporters seriously,
> and with compassion for their situation.

I totally agree.

Date: 2008-08-25 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrisla.livejournal.com
I also find it interesting that in the past week or so, Obama has been framed as an "underdog" and "needs to catch up in the polls". Never underestimate the power of framing.

Date: 2008-08-25 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amaebi.livejournal.com
I'm a Democrat. I do support Senator Clinton: I would have preferred to vote for her rather than Sen. Obama as a presidential candidate. However, I will vote for Sen. Obama.

Date: 2008-08-25 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entirelysonja.livejournal.com
I honestly wasn't all that enthused about either candidate in this particular primary, which is why I had such a tough time choosing between them.

Yes, I'm going to vote for Obama, and I voted for him in the primary. But even though I disagree with McCain on quite a range of issues, I do find him appealling in some ways. I can see why someone might feel a closer affinity to McCain than to Obama after having supported Clinton previously.

Date: 2008-08-26 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freeko.livejournal.com
I don't know. McCain is a Republican, that is BIG enough reason why I am turned off to him.

Date: 2008-08-26 11:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entirelysonja.livejournal.com
Well, for me also. I'm a hard-core Democrat, I will never vote for a Republican for president, no matter how awful the Democratic candidate is.

But I can see how someone who was attracted to Hillary partly because she's older and more experienced (let's face it, being Bill's wife does make her more experienced) would be attracted to McCain for the same reasons.

As far as I can tell, many of my fellow Americans base their decisions on who would make a good president based on things other than what the candidates stand for. Which, given how often exactly what politicians stand for is about as clear as mud (let's take McCain's recent turnaround on off-shore drilling as an example), isn't as dumb an idea as it might initially appear.

Date: 2008-08-29 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shandrew.livejournal.com
you haven't torn your eyeballs out enough until you see this site:

http://hcsfjm.com/

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