It's time!

May. 22nd, 2008 04:02 pm
yesthattom: (Default)
[personal profile] yesthattom
It’s time for everyone to act surprised that Hillary is going to take this fight all the way to the convention! She’s only been saying she would for months. Come on, media! Come on grass-roots blogs! Come on, liberal radio stations!

Pretend to be surprised!

You deserve it!

Update: Who do I think should be Obama’s VP? A white southerner with high positives and next to nothing in the negatives.

Date: 2008-05-22 08:06 pm (UTC)
geekosaur: Mr. Yuk (US CDC poison "mascot") (mr.yuk)
From: [personal profile] geekosaur
She really is trying to destroy the Democratic Party, isn't she? (As if it's ever needed any help shooting itself in the foot.)

Date: 2008-05-22 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweh.livejournal.com
Bloomberg for VP!

Date: 2008-05-22 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrfantasy.livejournal.com
Who do I think should be Obama’s VP? A white southerner with high positives and next to nothing in the negatives.

cough cough Edwards cough cough

Date: 2008-05-22 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cinema-babe.livejournal.com
He swears he doesn't want it, depending on how he thinks November is going to go, he think he's better off not being on the ticket with Obama and I'm concerned that his wife's health might be more of a factor in whether he wants to be involved with another grueling campaign right now then they care to share with the public.

But otherwise, yeah, he could fit the bill.

Date: 2008-05-22 08:22 pm (UTC)
mangosteen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mangosteen
I have the sneaking suspicion that she'd be gone by now if the media didn't tell her to do so. Now, it has become a "you're not the boss of me" scenario, and frankly, it's not a bad one to see.

The media do not get to dictate when a candidate steps down.

Date: 2008-05-22 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dossy.livejournal.com
Personally, I'd love to see Ron Paul run as Obama's veep. That way, once Obama goes the JFK route, Ron Paul becomes President.

Discussing this with a friend the other day, we both agreed that Colin Powell would make a fantastic VP to Obama's presidency, but getting two black people voted in, let alone one, is probably too high of a hurdle.

Date: 2008-05-22 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marmota.livejournal.com
Do you have any insights on why exactly the Clinton campaign is so
dead set on tearing apart the democratic party? Shouldn't Dean or
Clyburn have gotten her to knock it off months ago so that the party
would stop wasting money on infighting?

Date: 2008-05-22 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kimuchi.livejournal.com
That would work out very nicely for McCain.

Date: 2008-05-22 09:42 pm (UTC)
ckd: small blue foam shark (Default)
From: [personal profile] ckd
I want Edwards for Attorney General. We need someone who can clear out the Ashcroft/Gonzales/Mukasey crap at DoJ.

Date: 2008-05-22 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrfantasy.livejournal.com
Yeah, being there for his wife would be the best reason for him not to do it.

Date: 2008-05-23 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barking-iguana.livejournal.com
Would you in turn be surprised if she ends her campaign by end-of-day June 15?

Date: 2008-05-23 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pure-agnostic.livejournal.com
Why hasn't Clinton given up yet? It's all about debt.

Due to the new campaign financing laws, she can loan her campaign money, and then pay herself back later. She has loaned her campaign over $11 million, and borrowed another $8+ million from others. If she loses or withdraws, her campaign can't pay back the loans. If she continues, she might get enough donations to pay herself back. But getting $20 million in donations becomes increasingly unlikely as this campaign drags on. Without a win, she personally ends up with lots of debt. Yet her giving up is the best option for the party as a whole. She's gotten into a situation where what is good for her aint good for the party, and vice-versa.

I think she knows the delegate numbers are not in her favor, so I suspect her game plan is to stay in to get enough donations to lower the debt. Right now, Clinton can't just give up without putting herself in serious financial trouble. So, in order to keep her money straight, she has to keep fighting, whether or not it's good for her, her party, or her country. She's gotten into a situation where what is good for her aint good for the party, and vice-versa.

This sucks majorly for her. No good options. Can't win the nomination. Can't give up without going into debt. Any possible action hurts her. But one option - calling it quits - prevents further damage to the party.

Given the delegate count, there is a group of people that can end this race mercifully. The super-delegates. Obama needs only 61 delegates to declare victory. There are 172 super-delegates who have not endorsed either candidate yet. If only 36% of them endorse Obama tomorrow, the primary race ends.

Date: 2008-05-23 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barking-iguana.livejournal.com
Uh-uh. I think she's largely financing her own campaign at this point. The longer she stays in, the more of her own money she will spend and not get back. Whatever her reasons (and I can think of several plausible ones) protecting her personal wealth is not one of them.

Date: 2008-05-23 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bored2sleep.livejournal.com
Ha, I thought the same thing when he said "a white southerner with high positives and next to nothing in the negatives". Though, even with Ron Paul as VP, I'd still rather that Obama not go the JFK route. I think Dr. Paul would offer a lot of good advice about not overspending, which may be crucial in recovering from the current administration (who don't seem to believe there is such a thing as overspending).

I disagree on Colin Powell. He's got too much taint from this president, and there's also the issue of having an all black ticket. It could be used to make Obama look racist, etc. If he were going for an all minority ticket, he'd probably be better of with someone hispanic or asian or whatever. Though I think a white candidate would result in an easier election.

Date: 2008-05-23 06:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] holzman.livejournal.com
Bite your tongue.

Date: 2008-05-23 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awfief.livejournal.com
I'd love to see Dean or Kucinich as runningmates, but that probably won't happen.

Also, part of me is sad that you left out "male" -- because I'm pretty sure you mean "white male southerner" but just kinda left it to be assumed. :(

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